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But if it is all a fake-out then it was a monumental waste of time. I would rather have the time back that he spent on the bar so that we could get the game sooner. If the bar is not a primary location then this goes back to the age old complaint I've had about L&P's project management skills. If he's spending weeks building an environment that we'll spend a few minutes in, that is an irresponsible waste of resources.band = 4
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What’s going to happen in this bar, is just a pretext for something else elsewhere, we shouldn’t focus too much on the place.
I don’t see the bikers behaving badly, on the contrary.
I note that there are two microphones on stage, I would have imagined a duo, but if the scene is apparently short then finally I don’t think so.
PS I’ll take my hat off to L&P, if he got us all with a fake place. Like, the real beach bar is right next door.
Ahahah welcome to Lazy and Passive's way of working.
"Here's this monumental scene with 12938 props, edited meshes, proprietary skins and 2938 characters that took 1 month to build"
"Also, I used it for a couple minutes."
"thank your for your patronage"
"Here's this monumental scene with 12938 props, edited meshes, proprietary skins and 2938 characters that took 1 month to build"
"Also, I used it for a couple minutes."
"thank your for your patronage"
We know almost nothing about the scenes at the concert. We're all just guessing. And yet people are talking about wasting resources again. We had the discussion before the 3rd Aiden event. And what a festival it became!
Folks, are you not learning anything? Complain afterwards. I am convinced that the scenes in the bar will be sexy as hell. And worth every picture, like the 3rd event.
Folks, are you not learning anything? Complain afterwards. I am convinced that the scenes in the bar will be sexy as hell. And worth every picture, like the 3rd event.
Oh, he's the first of the complainants again! Will you then buy into L&P again?
Uh, name of the bar is country bunker - may be Johnny Cash, Glen Campbell, Dolly Parton, etc...
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1) This is a discussion forum, people are here to discuss.
2) I actually DON'T think the bar teasers are a fakeout. My point is that L&P wouldn't spend his resources with an asset like the bar unless he intended on using it. I know that he said something to the effect that the concert wasn't going to be very long, but that doesn't mean the whole scene at the bar will be short.
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Yes, you might be a cover band. But you have to get the songs across really convincingly, despite your youth.
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eh, Country Bunker? Bikers wouldn't dig a place like this. Truckers YES....even if truckers can bang
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Let's discuss! Then why waste resources? The scene will not develop according to our ideas, not according to mine and not according to yours. I have made many assumptions about the course of the evening here. With every new teaser I have to adapt or abandon it. It's sometimes frustrating and fun at the same time. I don't like the whole Sam route, but I wouldn't complain about this part of the story and consider it a waste of time. In one film I also have passages that I don't like, but they are part of it.
I'd like to ask to the talented artists that are following this forum what is their rough estimate for rendering a scene like the 2nd teaser with the graphic card(s) that L&P is using? If I understand well, the higher the number of characters the longer it takes to render. What is the relation, polynomial, exponential?
I think it has been discussed before and if I remember well some general consensus was that the concert itself would not take a major role in the event **even because of** the technical limitations of rendering a "crowd" of people and complex environment.
These 2 teasers obviously offer many possible scenarios for how the event will play out, with many different nuances and for all tastes. But I think the technical limitations above can prune some of them.
Bar fight? It could be one way to go, but is it really doable? (honest question) Manipulating so many characters plus rendering could be very time consuming in terms of development, even for L&P standards. I'm not ruling it out, I'm really asking if it is something that could be doable in a reasonable amount of time and just from a strictly technical point of view.
My personal feeling is still that nothing that rough will happen in the bar (i.e. bar fight, assaults etc) both because of the technical limitations and because I don't think it's the way L&P wants to go. For sure I'd expect some interactions with the people at the bar, some loud comments, eye glued to the two girls and so on. There can be a way of writing all this in a way that builds up some narrative tension and that, e.g., once again explore Sophia's pleasure in being "the center of attention".
And if anything, I won't be surprise if the location will be used later on for one of Aiden's tasks.
Finally, it has pointed out that no one from Sam's family is there. I'd also add that it's a bit strange that there are no friends of the band, being their first live performance normally close friends will be invited to come. Could be the two ladies arrived a bit too early (only the drums are on stage) and others will join soon (thus the dramatic entrance of the two in a such a bar could play a more dramatic effect)?
Or again have we reached some technical limits and there is no space for others? Will it be addressed in the dialogues, giving a reasonable motivation for the lack of support for the band even for the closest friends/relatives (e.g. it's school night)?
I think it has been discussed before and if I remember well some general consensus was that the concert itself would not take a major role in the event **even because of** the technical limitations of rendering a "crowd" of people and complex environment.
These 2 teasers obviously offer many possible scenarios for how the event will play out, with many different nuances and for all tastes. But I think the technical limitations above can prune some of them.
Bar fight? It could be one way to go, but is it really doable? (honest question) Manipulating so many characters plus rendering could be very time consuming in terms of development, even for L&P standards. I'm not ruling it out, I'm really asking if it is something that could be doable in a reasonable amount of time and just from a strictly technical point of view.
My personal feeling is still that nothing that rough will happen in the bar (i.e. bar fight, assaults etc) both because of the technical limitations and because I don't think it's the way L&P wants to go. For sure I'd expect some interactions with the people at the bar, some loud comments, eye glued to the two girls and so on. There can be a way of writing all this in a way that builds up some narrative tension and that, e.g., once again explore Sophia's pleasure in being "the center of attention".
And if anything, I won't be surprise if the location will be used later on for one of Aiden's tasks.
Finally, it has pointed out that no one from Sam's family is there. I'd also add that it's a bit strange that there are no friends of the band, being their first live performance normally close friends will be invited to come. Could be the two ladies arrived a bit too early (only the drums are on stage) and others will join soon (thus the dramatic entrance of the two in a such a bar could play a more dramatic effect)?
Or again have we reached some technical limits and there is no space for others? Will it be addressed in the dialogues, giving a reasonable motivation for the lack of support for the band even for the closest friends/relatives (e.g. it's school night)?
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As we're talking about bands, in the words of REM, "Consider this...". Sam's group are just the support band before the main act. That would keep the concert short, be 'in tune' with their relative inexperience & might even get through the evening without any undue unpleasantness. "Ladies & Gentlemen, you know we here at Bob's Country Bunker like to give a hand to upcoming local talent & tonight we have..... etc."
I still maintain that fleeing violence or anything related is not a good precursor to romance. Damn it all I don't "maintain," I know it's not. Although IMO I don't care if Sam is Romeo or Machiavelli, (I think he's somewhere in between...."All's fair & all that), I did & do think that there will be a significant development in the erotic aspect of his relations with Sophia. It's nicer to think that this could occur without any added nastiness.
Aiden & Bennett provide the nasty side of corruption/this VN & for me they're sufficient. (Apart from Bennett but let's not go there).
I still maintain that fleeing violence or anything related is not a good precursor to romance. Damn it all I don't "maintain," I know it's not. Although IMO I don't care if Sam is Romeo or Machiavelli, (I think he's somewhere in between...."All's fair & all that), I did & do think that there will be a significant development in the erotic aspect of his relations with Sophia. It's nicer to think that this could occur without any added nastiness.
Aiden & Bennett provide the nasty side of corruption/this VN & for me they're sufficient. (Apart from Bennett but let's not go there).
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Andy and Katie stuff is most likely part of the swinger route that I believe is coming on the good wife route.
So that means Liam's boss and his wife, Friend and her boyfriend that Sophia went to Sauna with and now Andy and Katie for a swinger route.
As for the biker bar, I think the only thing that happens is that Sophia becomes more infatuated with Sam and Patricia notices. Patricia may or may not start looking at Sam differently as well.
I think alcohol will be involved like some stated and that leads to something afterwards but we choose where Sophia lets her guard down more. Either at home after visiting Andy and Katie or at Andy and Katie's home.
So that means Liam's boss and his wife, Friend and her boyfriend that Sophia went to Sauna with and now Andy and Katie for a swinger route.
As for the biker bar, I think the only thing that happens is that Sophia becomes more infatuated with Sam and Patricia notices. Patricia may or may not start looking at Sam differently as well.
I think alcohol will be involved like some stated and that leads to something afterwards but we choose where Sophia lets her guard down more. Either at home after visiting Andy and Katie or at Andy and Katie's home.
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Why is everyone saying it's their first gig? Sam never said that, he said they are practicing for a gig and admits they are a long way off from selling out Shae Stadium, nothing about being their first show. Second, at first mention of it Sophia responds "Yes, your dad told us about your rock band." And so he did: on day one when explaining why Julia and Sam aren't home, Julia is at ballet and Neil says Sam is " ... practicing with their little wannabe rock band." So this isn't some clandestine activity that Sam's engaged in.
If it isn't their first show then there's probably no reason for his parents to attend.
Being at a bar it does make sense that their friends can't attend, they would be below drinking age. In certain U.S. cities/states there are so-called cabaret licenses where you are classified primarily as a dance/entertainment venue rather than a bar/drinking establishment, meaning they could serve alcohol and have so-called "all age shows". I doubt very seriously if L&P accounted for any of this and he's presenting a setting which would certainly have an age restriction and, given the clientele we see, we should probably take that at face value.
If it isn't their first show then there's probably no reason for his parents to attend.
Being at a bar it does make sense that their friends can't attend, they would be below drinking age. In certain U.S. cities/states there are so-called cabaret licenses where you are classified primarily as a dance/entertainment venue rather than a bar/drinking establishment, meaning they could serve alcohol and have so-called "all age shows". I doubt very seriously if L&P accounted for any of this and he's presenting a setting which would certainly have an age restriction and, given the clientele we see, we should probably take that at face value.
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Sam says it's his "first real live performance" when he invites Sophia on day 18 in the backyard. That certainly sounds like his first gig to me.
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Fair enough, I guess I was focusing too much on the music lesson. Thank you as always for setting me straight!
can someone please tell me what the lastest versdion is and if its 0.130? I seem to be missing scenes you guys have seen, such as when Sophia try's on bikini's for dylan and sam, I haven't seen that yet but my version has ended? Plus you're talking about a sex scene with the neighbours? and pictures of Sam's band performance... what am I missing here or did I just do it wrong?